Homemade Weed Killer – Roundup vs Vinegar vs Salt

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Robert Pavlis

Homemade weed killers are all the rage and vinegar or salt or a combination of the two are highly publicized. How well do they work? How do they compare with Roundup? In today’s post I will compare the three options by testing them on real weeds in my garden.

 

Homemade weed killer - vinegar and salt
Homemade weed killer – vinegar and salt

Vinegar, Homemade Weed Killer

I’ve discussed vinegar before in Vinegar Weed Killer Myth. It is effective against small weed seedlings, and it does destroy the green leaves above ground. It has very little effect on roots.

In this post vinegar refers to the stuff you can buy in a grocery store. It does not include 20% acetic acid which is a dangerous chemical that does kill some weeds.

Salt, Homemade Weed Killer

Salt, usually in the form of sodium chloride, the table salt, is recommended quite a bit for killing weeds. It can be used in water, as a solid or even mixed with vinegar.

Salt does kill weeds, as well as all other plants. Sodium is a toxic metal ion which dissolves easily in water. It moves through soil along with the water. If the amount of sodium is high enough it kills plants, so it should be no surprise that it kills weeds.

Unlike synthetic or organic pesticides which break down over time, the sodium ion does not break down. It might be washed away by water to another location, like the soil where you grow favorite plants, or into local rivers and lakes, but it will always be somewhere.

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Someone on a social network group said they kill weeds by applying salt, and nothing grows in the spot for at least 2 years. Great – the weeds are gone because the soil has been contaminated so much nothing will grow there until water leeches the excess sodium away. That does not sound like good gardening to me.

Roundup Weed Killer

The active ingredient in Roundup is a chemical called glyphosate. Contrary to popular belief, this is a safe chemical (ref 1) and it works very well on most plants.

Glyphosate is absorbed by the leaves of growing plants and is transported to the roots. There, it slowly kills the roots and in turn the whole plant dies. This process is fairly slow, and usually takes 10 – 14 days for the plant to die.

Roundup vs Vinegar vs Salt

The above descriptions are basic facts about the three weed killers. I wanted to see them in action and be able to compare them to see how effective they really are.

I know Roundup works since I have used it in the past on a few very stubborn weeds including quack grass and bindweed. I have never used vinegar or salt.

In early spring, I dug out some good sized dandelions and potted them up. I took good care of them for a couple of months to make sure they were growing well. The picture below shows the three plants just before being sprayed with a weed killer.

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Homemade weed killer – Before being sprayed, June 22

Each pot was sprayed once with one of these: Roundup, pickling vinegar (7% acetic acid), and salt (1/4 cup sodium chloride per liter water).

After treatment, all three pots were added to my nursery of potted seedlings, which are watered every day unless it rains. They received sun most of the day, with a bit of shade late in the day.

Two weeks after spraying.

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Homemade Weed Killer – Roundup vs Salt vs Vinegar, July 6

From experience, I know Roundup takes about 10 days to start showing results. Plants are usually dead at the 2 week mark. It looks like salt also did a good job and that was not unexpected. Salt, at high levels, is toxic to most plants. Vinegar had browned off the leaves a bit after spraying, but new ones soon grew back. The vinegar treated plant is smaller than before spraying, but is growing fine.

Eight Weeks After spraying

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Homemade Weed Killer – Roundup vs Salt vs Vinegar, August 16

Does Salt Kill Weeds?

You can see from the above picture that the salt sprayed on the plant was not enough to kill it. Things might have been different if the plant had been in the ground. Salt is very soluble in water, and more watering means that it is washed away quicker. The plant would not have been watered as much if it was in the ground and so the salt might have stuck around longer, in turn killing the plant. But that is just a guess.

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The salt treated plant is not nearly as large as the vinegar treated plant. So salt certainly affected the dandelion more than the vinegar spray.

Salt may be better at getting rid of weeds, but it is just not a good idea for treating weeds in the garden. Adding salt to your garden is not good for your plants or the environment.

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Does Vinegar Kill Weeds?

The pickling vinegar did do some initial damage to the leaves, but it clearly did not kill the plant. This is consistent with scientific reports that say vinegar at 5% or 7% have very little effect on weeds that have well established root systems. See Vinegar Weed Killer Myth for more details.

Vinegar will not kill most weeds in the garden. 20% Acetic Acid does kill some weeds, but is not effective on all types.

In my next post I test vinegar’s ability to kill other types of weeds Vinegar Weed Killer Myth Revisited.

Will Vinegar + Salt Kill Weeds?

Some recipes recommend a mixture of both vinegar and salt. This is probably more effective than just vinegar alone, but again salt is just no good for the garden. I would not use it.

Many of you will have trouble believing me when I say Roundup is less damaging to the environment than salt. Roundup degrades fairly quickly as bacteria and is converted to water and CO2. Salt stays in the environment for ever.

references:

1) Glyphosate technical Fact Sheet: http://npic.orst.edu/factsheets/glyphotech.html

2) All photos by Robert Pavlis

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Robert Pavlis

I have been gardening my whole life and have a science background. Besides writing and speaking about gardening, I own and operate a 6 acre private garden called Aspen Grove Gardens which now has over 3,000 perennials, grasses, shrubs and trees. Yes--I am a plantaholic!

262 thoughts on “Homemade Weed Killer – Roundup vs Vinegar vs Salt”

  1. I am looking for alternatives to chemicals to use on my weeds – and just to throw my 2 cents in on the vinegar/round up discussion I thought I would share my views. I eat vinegar so if some ended up on my good plants I would be happy to eat the vinegar (chemical or not), however I would not be happy to eat any amount of round-up. This is just simple commonsense to me and why I would not use RoundUp.

    However my question relates to using coconut oil as a weed deterrent. Down the side of my house I have a gravel path infested with all sorts of weeds (sigh) and I noticed outside my bedroom window a round circle of gravel with absolutely no weeds. When I do coconut pulling – I spit out the window (to prevent my drains from clogging) and where I do this there are no weeds. I think I last did coconut pulling over 6 weeks ago maybe longer. Could coconut oil be a good weed deterrent?

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  2. If possible, use BOILING WATER to kill off weeds (and anything else, including burrowing insects). Talk about easy! And no evasive? Lol. Works great, although not very practical, totally safe for my small children and pets- 100% DEAD VEGITATION.

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    • Actually boiling water will not kill large weeds. What temperature do you think the water is once it reaches 6 inches below the soil surface?

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      • I suppose it depends on soil density doesn’t it. I used (don’t ask why) boiling water with vinigar. I didn’t thing it would kill everything off when I dumped a 15 gallon kettle on the edge of the yard but killed everything bare until this year (one season). I have some really large weeds that I’ll boils a turkey fryer full and dump it on them to see how well it will work on large weeds. I have used it on ants a few time and they burrow deep, worked flawlessly every time.

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  3. Thank you for pointing out that glyphosate is relatively harmless in the home garden. After avoiding any chemicals in my garden, I finally resorted to Roundup as one of several tools in battling goutweed, which I used after much research on its effects. From what I understand, it basically stays limited to only the plant you spray it on, and deteriorates afterwards, as you point out. I get “looks” from people when I say that I occasionally use Roundup on especially stubborn weeds. This is not to say, however, that excessive or near-harvest, commercial use by the farming industry on Round-up ready edible crops is safe, advisable or acceptable.

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  4. Very interesting topic.
    There is a Weedkiller being sold on a week known shopping channel that is Glyphosate free & uses some kind of extract ofGeranuim as an ingredient which also seems to kill the root as well and is biodegradable.
    I wondered if you’ve heard of this and have tested it at all?
    Thanks
    Simon

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  5. I was intrigued. Out of curiosity, can I use roundup on my asparagus after all the ferns die off without hurting the root crown. I have a friend that dilutes it and uses before the spears break the surface to control weeds. I want to spray at end of season then use a preemergent in spring.

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    • Roundup is quickly absorbed by soil and will not penetrate very far into the soil layer, so it is unlikely to reach the asparagus.

      Secondly, glyphosate, the active ingredient works by being absorbed by leaves. If a plant has no leaves, it can’t absorb glyphosate very effectively. That is one reason it is recommended not to spray until a weed has grown enough leaves.

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      • I just cleared my fence line and my neighbor has several invasive weed/shrubs whose limbs/branches have creeped under my fence. I don’t have a saw, hatchet, etc., just a hand pruning shear. If I spray Roundup on the cut surface where I was able to prune, will these die off. Or will I have to get a shovel and hatchet and dig them out of the ground? Many thanks. Renting a house and just don’t have the tools yet.

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        • When you paint the cut end, the glyphosate will be taken to the roots where they kill the roots. So the whole plant dies.

          If you are cutting one branch of a shrub, it is not likely to get enough chemical to kill it.

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  6. what if you use a propane farmer type weed burner for cracks in sidewalks and driveways? Is that temporary? I have always found it is the seeds that seem to sprout, after killing with roundup. Is this a true observation?
    thank you,

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    • A torch kills off the tops of the plant – it does not kill the roots.

      Roundup has no effect on seed, so it should be no surprise to see seedlings after treatment with it. But that is true of most things people use to get rid of weeds.

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      • Very interesting science robert! I have a new walkway and live in s fl. Weeds are already coming through. I was going to hose with salt water but sounds like i need some southern preen or dithiopyr in between the cracks. Your thoughts?

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        • I have no experience with southern preen or dithiopyr. Roundup is probably the least toxic chemical you can use, but a string trimmer works well to.

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  7. Certainly didn’t expect the comments to be so heated, but damn if they aren’t entertaining! I’ve done the vinegar/salt/soap mix for years, using it every couple weeks on the same spots because yes, it just kills the tops. I’ve used Roundup in the past and there’s just no comparison. (I’m not a shill for Monsanto, though if I was I’d probably deny it…) Having said that, I opt for the vinegar mix because I can mix it up in the kitchen with my toddler underfoot, I don’t have to wear gloves or freak put if it back-sprays on me, I can have said toddler and cats running around the rocks as I spray it, and we’re outside all the freaking time anyway. When my situation changes, I might switch it up, but the vinegar is actually easier for me – despite the frequency – as a stay-at-home mom.

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  8. I am wondering if repeated removal of the surface vegetation of a weed – by hand or with vinegar – will eventually cause the root to die. I will be grateful for any insights. Thank you.

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    • Yes this will work – provided that new growth is removed before the plant can make more food than it lost growing the new leaf. Weekly removal should work for most plants – but miss a couple of weeks and you are back to square one.

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    • I’m kind of surprised at your insistence that glyphosate has been scientifically proven to be safe. That leads me to believe you are either a spokesman for Monsanto (are you?), or you aren’t familiar with all the literature.

      There are, for instance, many peer reviewed papers on the subject by MIT researcher Stephanie Sennef. The following is how Dr Sennef is described on her site.

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      • I’ve edited the rest of your comment, because the work of Stephanie Sennef has been completely debunked as being poor science. Her work is not accepted by main stream science.

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    • I do have a question, If salt makes it so plants won’t grow for up to a year or more. How come they use it on the roads, and the sides of the roads are full of weeds every summer..

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  9. I would like to comment after reading your Aug. 26th 2016 post about organic food (plants) that are “naturally resistant” to pests. This by the respected physicists at Cal Berkeley Richard A Muller who says in his book The Instant Physicist this: “Typically, the natural pesticides in organic food are thousands of times more carcinogenic then the artificial pesticides approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture. And since they are part of the food, they can not be rinsed off”.

    Thought your readers would like to know this.

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    • the statement “natural pesticides in organic food are thousands of times more carcinogenic then the artificial pesticides approved by the U.S. Department of Agriculture” is simply not correct.

      1) natural pesticides occur in both organic and non-organic food – there is no evidence that those in organic are any worse or better than non-organic.

      2) Plants make thousands of natural pesticides. There are hundreds of synthetic ones. Any blanket statement that says one group is more carcinogenic than the other group is not only incorrect – but its a stupid statement. Each chemical needs to assessed on its own merits. Besides, most of the natural pesticides are still being studied – we don’t even know what they all are, let alone how they affect animal cells.

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  10. This is a website for normal people at home who need advice on killing weeds, not a science lab or college study. Give the man a break! I found this site because I was going to try to save some cash and use the vinegar. Thanks to this article I know to just go ahead and get the round up. I’m sure your comments are appreciated, but they are really long winded and boring for someone trying to have a nice yard. Thanks for the advice and unfortunately I’m sure there are some 8th graders failing science because their teachers were to busy on here trying to sound smart rather than working…๐Ÿ˜

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