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Vinegar Weed Killer Myth

Weed killers have been banned in a number of Countries including Ontario, Canada and people are now looking for natural week killers. Does vinegar kill weeds? Is it a natural weed killer? Let’s have a closer look at this common garden myth.

Vinegar weed killer myth

Vinegar weed killer myth

Vinegar Weed Killer

What happens when you pour vinegar on a weed? For most plants, the vinegar is so acidic that it damages the green leafy part of the plant. Within a day, the plant withers and the leaves go brown. It certainly looks like vinegar has done the job.

If you re-read the above sentence you will notice that it only talks about the green leafy part of the plant. What about the plant below ground? Turns out that vinegar has almost no affect on the root system. When vinegar reaches soil level it is quickly neutralized so that it is no longer acidic. The acetic acid in vinegar is converted to harmless acetate salts which have little effect on the weed.

The weed just regrows and in a week or so, the weed is back. Vinegar is not a natural weed killer.

Does Strong Vinegar Kill Weeds?

Vinegar is about 5% acetic acid, the rest being water. Pickling vinegar is about 7% acetic acid, but even this is not strong enough to kill weeds.

A higher concentration of acetic acid will kill some plants, but you need to use at least 20% acetic acid.

Some sources still call this vinegar, and I suggest that this is a bad idea. We all know vinegar as something that is fairly harmless. 20% acetic acid should be considered to be a dangerous chemical. Make sure you wear gloves and eye protection when using this chemical. In this blog the term vinegar is used to refer to a product that is at most 7% acetic acid.

You will not find 20% acetic acid in the grocery store, but there are some commercial natural weed killer products on the market that contain this higher amount of acetic acid. There are also several products on the market that don’t have 20% and they are not worth buying – use pickling vinegar instead.

Will 20% Acetic Acid Kill Weeds?

20% acetic acid will kill small annual weeds but has limited effect at killing larger annual weeds. It only kills some perennial weeds and is not effective on grass weeds. The reason is fairly clear. Acetic acid does not affect the roots. The roots of large annuals, and most perennials allow the plant to grow back.

What About Repeated Use?

In my statement above I said that vinegar only damages the green leafy part of the plant. Let’s look at how this affects the plant. The plant has used its internally stored food reserve to grow the leaves. They are now ready to absorb sun light and make more food. You come along and damage the leaves to the point where they are no longer useful to the plant. The plant now has to use more stored food to regrow new leaves. If you come along again and kill them off, you will weaken the plant even more. Over time this will kill the plant.

The secret to making this work is repeated applications that are timed close enough together that leaves never produce food for the plant. Go on vacation for a couple of weeks, and you can start the process all over again. Most of us are just not diligent enough to make this work.

Seedlings that do not yet have a good root system can be killed with a single application of vinegar.

Vinegar is also non-specific. It will damage any green plant including grass and most other living organisms.

 Is Vinegar Weed Killer a Myth?

So is this a myth or not? Vinegar will kill weeds and so strictly speaking it is not a myth. However, a single application will only remove the leafy parts and not kill the plant. Unfortunately most references only talk about the 5% vinegar and one application, so their recommendation won’t work – they are perpetuating a myth.

I wanted to test vinegar’s ability to kill weeds for myself. I tried it on dandelions in Home Made Weed Killer – Roundup vs Vinegar vs Salt and on other weeds in Vinegar Weed Killer Myth Revisited.


1)  Vinegar for Weed Control Revisited:

2) Vinegar as a burn herbicide:

3) Photo Credit: Joe Shlabotnik

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83 Responses to 'Vinegar Weed Killer Myth'

  1. Sandra Roberts says:

    I have a flowerbed in my front yard that has grass growing in it from a lawn that is less than 3 feet away I think. (The flowerbed has a sidewalk in front of it). The past 2 years we have had SO much grass growing in it that besides yanking it out by hand we have not had any success stopping it’s spread. It is so bad now that we cannot grow anything in the flowerbed as it all dies as the grass takes over. Please PLEASE tell me what I can do to get rid of this grass permanently. We have successfully grown marigolds and petunias in this garden and now nothing grows there. The soil is very dry now too for some reason. A nearby flowerbed appears to have a weed like plant resembling a tiny leafed nasturtium but it has no real flowers. This also cannot be controlled. What can I use to get my beautiful flowerbeds back? My front yard is looking like a derelict abandoned area.

  2. Lemay says:

    Hi, I started using Acetic Acid this year to kill our over abundant Blackberries. I use the 30% solution and the one thing I do differently than anyone else I have seen post is I add dishwashing soap to my sprayer. It makes the spray stick to the plants and I am having great success with it. Two other things. Spray first thing right after dawn if you can so the plant sucks up the moisture on the leaves and second. This process works much better later in the summer vs spring or early summer. You want the plants you are trying to kill on the downward side of their lifecylcle so they can not take nutrients back to the roots. This has worked great for us.

  3. penniespen says:

    I have a black locust overtaking the yard since the tree was cut early spring and the lawn mower died. I have a hydrangea nearby and don’t want to disrupt it. I will if I have to. Someone recommended crossbow. It says it is non-selective but then I read it will not kill grasses. Is that just because it only kills woody plants?
    Someone told me I have to check with my extension in my County to see if Crossbow is okay to use. ?? I haven’t read up on it yet but wonder if there are any health concerns. I have pets.
    I have some blackberries I could probably kill off as well. I will wait until after the season. I have loppers. I usually let everything grow naturally and not care too much as long as it doesn’t turn into a fire hazard.
    Since you know the science behind the glysophate in Roundup and know it will kill these plants ok, I’m wondering about the other ramifications though. What about for the bees?

    Thank you for the info,

    • Cut the woodies, and paint the cut stem within 20 minutes of cutting. It gets absorbed into the roots and kills the plant. It will not harm any insect unless they come and lick the Roundup before it dries – only takes a few minutes.

      This is very effective and uses very small amounts of chemicals.

  4. penniespen says:

    I am coming to this post looking for alternatives to killing Woody plants. I also have a question or two for you. Someone said if you put the vinegar down into the woody base, by drilling a hole that it would help get to their roots.
    It won’t let me post all of it without hiding the post comment submit button. So look for my second one please. Probably cuz I’m on my phone.

  5. S. Al-Haddad says:

    Quite a discussion. I have used roundup and vinegar and hot water.
    The Roundup was only tempory as the weeds died but came back , just as with vinegar. I killed some weeds with vinegar spray a few weeks ago and now I see grass growing instead. The weeds all came back after a month or two with the roundup but no grass even thought we eventually tried to seed it.. Hot water seems to do the job for a. season or two on walks but more they or their relatives eventually come back.. I would love to use hot water extensively but it is impractical. We have very poor soil which readily grows many weeds. I can’t physically attack them all with hot water.

    National Geographic had an article in 2015 about Roundup entitled
    ” What Do We Really Know About Roundup”. Interesting reading. Also, it seems that Roundup Ready seeds, another Monsanto product, have contributed to other problems including what the Dept. of Agriculture
    refers to as super weeds , a need for stronger Roundup, and the loss of several family farms. You can do a little research on these subjects.

    I come from a farm family, I have relatives that swear by chemicals I would rather not have in the foods chain. There is no convincing them.

    • Very few weeds do not come back after being treated with Roundup – provided they are treated correctly. There are some tough plants that can live through a Roundup treatment. What you are seeing is new seeds germinating.

      Roundup ready seeds are not creating super weeds – they were starting to show up before the seeds were used.

    • Doug says:

      The Romans used salt of some sort so the story goes.

  6. Laurel says:

    I do not trust this “scientist.” I think that he doth protest too much! I will go with the natural route.

  7. Coteau says:

    I am looking for a large scale solution to kill leafy spurge on pastures and hayfields in North Dakota. There are many chemicals that have been tried and some are effective however we are losing the battle to this invasive weed. I am looking at the 30% vinegar as a possible solution. We are talking acres of leafy spurge. Any ideas or experience with vinegar on spurge? Thank you.

  8. Clint says:

    Hi, Master Colorado. I tried the link #2 to Vinegar as a burn pesticide and it goes to a dead end at USDA. Do have a better link or a copy of what was there? I have this discussion all the time and I’m trying to find handouts. Thanks.

  9. Mat says:

    Ok I’m sorry but I think this post is incorrect. I have experimented for many months with both roundup, and other weed killers, and now a special mix of vinegar + soap and some secret additive (it’s safe). The vinegar has proven to be 10x more effective, AND permanently effective on my sidewalks, patio, and driveway. The roundup was partially effective but the weeds grew back. I haven’t waited 6+ months but as far as I’m concerned the vinegar is awesome. If it’s not killing roots – it’s dang well damaging the the heck out of those weeds.

  10. James COHEN says:

    In the interest of full disclosure, do you have any ties, of any kind, to Monsanto? The only people I have seen in the past decade who have said that Roundup is environmentally friendly have been paid shills for Monsanto.

    • Many posts have accused me of being a Monsanto shill and I just delete them, but you asked nicely so you deserve an answer.

      NO, I have no ties to Monsanto! I am a chemist who can read the scientific reports and understand them. The facts on glyphosate are very clear and well established.

      If you have not seen anyone make the comments I do about Roundup you have not been looking very hard. Pop on over to The Garden Professors Facebook page and see what science says about the subject.

      I never said “Roundup is environmentally friendly”. What I said was that it is a very safe chemical – safer than many chemicals you have in your home.

  11. Chen says:

    I’d like to kill my lawn and plant ground cover and meadow. I don’t want to poison my drinking water in my well. What shall I do?

    • Roundup – less toxic than vinegar.

      • Reality checl says:

        Really, i can drink a cup of vinegar. Would you dare drink a cup of Roundup?

      • Lelia Pendleton says:

        Roundup is forbidden, or should be, around waterways. Do check the restrictions in your area (or your conscience). I live on the Chesapeake Watershed and participate in a community garden. Can’t use Roundup or any of the chemical (and completely effective) herbicides.

  12. Richard Miletic says:

    I make a slice down the middle of a dandelion about 6 inches down and expose the root. I poor some 20% vinegar in the hole directly on the root. Kills the dandelion within a day. Can also dig the top part of the dandelion out then pour the vinegar onto the bottom of the root. For other weeds embedded in the grass is use an organic approved Iron based chemical. Changes the ph of the weed without affecting the grass. Weed turns black in a few hours and dies within a day.

  13. Mike says:

    Roundup is linked to TCC (bladder cancer) in pets. If you have dogs or cats in the area, I would advise doing a little research first.

  14. mark says:

    Well vinegar is an excellent annual weed killer , 10% really works good.
    It works best on young weeds and wont hurt established plants if you over spray, yes perennial weeds will come back unless they are very young.and if used alot could raise the acidicy of the soil.
    So Monsanto can kiss my tail

  15. Mike Abrams says:

    Got sleepy reading this while searching for a natural way to kill weeds. I see no solution here and I am glad I didn’t go buy vinegar and salt. This could be a commercial for roundup though as much as its mentioned, Lol…

  16. Blake says:

    What do you recommend for killing grass/weeds in a large area to put in an above ground pool and deck surrounding the pool?

    • There is no need to kill the grass in either the pool area or desk area. Once covered it will die on its own. Many people want to remove the sod layer to get down to more stable soil – but again there is reason to kill the grass to do this.

      For a garden, Roundup is one of the most environmentally friendly solutions. It is very effective at killing the grass, is very safe and does less hard to the soil than covering it with plastic.

  17. Rebecca Collins says:

    I was wondering if 20% vinger would work on horsehair weeds and where i can find some in the uk or if theres any other solutions. Area surroubding it is slabs so no other plants nearby but its been growing there since 1940 when the house was first built and nothing has really worked. Any help would be appreciated.

    • Probably not. This is a very tough weed to kill. Use Roundup. Even with that you will probably have to spray a few times to get rid of it.

  18. mmartin says:

    I’ve used muriatic on a small patch of ivy…put it on a couple of years ago and that patch of ivy hasn’t grown back. I also cut 3-4 inch thick ivy vines off several trees in my front yard, poured muriatic acid on the stumps and no new growth has occurred. The problem is that I can’t/won’t use muriatic acid on a larger scale (our entire backyard is covered with ivy) because we have a creek and deer live in the thicket next to our property.

    I’ve been reading up on the vinegar/salt treatment but you’ve shot that down no matter what success other posters have had with it (short term or long term). For the reasons mentioned above, I am also hesitant use RoundUp or anything similar because I don’t want to harm the deer, our pets and the creek. Soooo…what can you suggest to kill the 2 foot deep covering of ivy that blankets the entire back yard? Hope you can help.

    • Muriatic is hydrochloric acid – I would not recommend that for weeds. It can be quite dangerous.

      Roundup works well on ivy, and is quite safe for the environment.

      • Colin Taylor says:

        Roundup is a probable carcinogen according to the WHO and is found in high residue concentrations in flour and other fruit and veg. It has been suggested that this will kill the bacteria in your gut when you eat food contaminated with it. Look it up online.

        • you read the WHO report incorrectly. Their first report said it is a ‘possible’ carcinogen. What does that mean? According to WHO it means they feel there has not been enough testing to determine carcinogenicity one way or the other. Some other things in the same category are things like shift work, being a hair dresser, and I think soda pop.

          Since that report came out another report by WHO and the EPA says that they have reviewed more research and they are now convinced glyphosate is not carcinogenic.

          Your statement “high residue concentrations in flour and other fruit and veg” is totally false.

          Re “It has been suggested that this will kill the bacteria in your gut when you eat food”. The anti Roundup movement has main all kinds of suggestions. You can believe gossip or you can believe science.

          • Barbara says:

            I used to use round-up all the time until I heard all the hype on the news and read about it. I have switched to vinegar. The weeds come back within a few days. It is so difficult! I am, however very health conscious and don’t want to take any chances with the round-up! I garden as a hobby and have been using round-up for many years. My garden was always weed free; now I can’t keep up with the weeds. Wish there was something else safe and worked more effectively to keep the weeds away longer!

          • There is Glyphosate, ie Roundup. It is less toxic than vinegar – do you consider vinegar safe?

  19. Enretta says:

    I have thistles in my flower garden. They are taking over. I have tried pulling ALL of them. Roundup (I tried to be careful and not get on my other plants but my peonies were messed up when they came up). I just want to get rid of the thistles

  20. Doug says:

    You have to use 10% vinegar or better for good results.

    Wait until the soil is dried out a bit, the sun is bright, and it’s the middle
    of the day. It must be at least 70-degrees for maximum efficacy. The weed will
    think you are giving it some good food. Down the hatch, little weed.

    More than a few recipes exist for homemade weedkiller, some of which use various
    strengths of vinegar. A homemade solution of 1 quart of 20 percent vinegar and 4
    ounces of lemon juice concentrate will kill the stems, buds and foliage of weeds
    but generally won’t harm their roots. Another option is to combine 1 tablespoon
    of gin, 1 teaspoon of liquid dish soap, 1 tablespoon of 20 percent vinegar and 1
    quart of water. This homemade weedkiller destroys the portion of weeds above the
    surface as well as the roots, according University of Washington Botanic Gardens.

    Now the thing about killing the roots in the last recipe would have more to do with the other ingredients I would think. Putting 1 tablespoon in a quart of water would weaken the vinegar way down lower than 1%.

    • Several studies have shown that 10% will still not kill roots.

      20% acetic acid will work – you don’t need the lemon juice – but it is a dangerous chemical that can blind you.

      20% acetic acid in 1 quart of water is too dilute to work to kill roots. the gin and soap don’t do anything except maybe make the acetic acid stick better to the leaves.

  21. Leon Ye says:

    Monsanto Stunned – California Confirms ‘Roundup’ Will Be Labeled “Cancer Causing”

    • A purely political move that is not science based. The decision is probably based on the World Health Organization report that categorizes glyphosate (the active ingredient in Roundup) as a probable carcinogen. Sounds scary – but they also found that alcohol, coffee, working shiftwork, and working in a hair salon are probable carcinogens – just like Roundup.

      If you happen to drink coffee to get going in the morning, do shiftwork, followed by a beer in the evening you are doomed to get cancer!

      There is no science evidence that this is true.

      • ahomestead says:

        Hello, there are several published scientific studies that undoubtedly show Roundup glyphosate changes gene expression and induces estrogenic cancer cells. It’s an endocrine disrupter, attaches to estrogen receptors, literally changes DNA expression and contributes to cancer in these ways within the body that otherwise would not. It’s a reproductive cancer inducer for both men and women. If you use even “low or environmentally relevant concentrations of glyphosate” or eat foods that have been sprayed with the product, you should be doing a natural method of detoxing your body immediately afterward or on a regular basis.

        • Did you look at the list of studies? These are all lab studies using high doses of the chemical. In such studies you can show just about anything.

          The world health organization looked at all of the available literature on the subject and concluded that glyphosate is a ‘possible carcinogen’. What this means is that there is no scientific evidence to show it is a carcinogen, but it might be. By the way shift work, and working in a hair salon fall in the same category. Bacon is a definite carcinogen.

          In a more recent report the world health organization has now stated glyphosate doe NOT cause cancer.

      • Danny says:

        Believe what you will… Acetic Acid (vinegar) that has been used for thousands of years and allowed anywhere, or Roundup that has been banned in many countries for being dangerous and causing health problems.

        • Science has clearly shown vinegar does not kill weeds – there is no doubt in this fact.

          Roundup has been banned in some places, but NOT because of health concerns. It is banned because many people like yourself won’t believe the science – they would rather believe gossip and fear mongering stories.

          • Elizabeth says:

            I have used 30% vinegar to kill weeds and it kills them all. It is dangerous to spray on skin or eyes or frogs, which I do my best to avoid, but it doesn’t cause cancer and it quickly becomes less toxic after spraying. Glyphosate also disrupts the fungal layer of the earth, which is something we are still learning the importance of.

            To quote Mr. Bumble in a twisted way. “Science is an ass.” Science has been wrong more than it’s been right and science is never “settled.”

          • 30% might kill some weeds, but that is an extremely strong acid and should not be used by homeowners.

            Glyphosate does not cause cancer either and it decomposes quickly in soil.

          • Doug Cutler says:

            Even weaker concentrates will eventually kill by drying out the leaves. Pant dies from lack of leaves. Takes longer and may need additional application when new leaves appear.

  22. Carole says:

    I bought some glacial acetic acid and I am going to (carefully) dilute it down to 20%. If that doesn’t work, I will try a higher concentration. I would recommend that, when working with anything stronger than household vinegar, one use rubber gloves, a light surgical mask, and safety goggles. I cannot use Roundup. I don’t know if it is safe or not, but the smell of it is disgusting to me.

    • I agree with the safety suggestions for anything stronger than 20% acetic acid.

      Odd that you find the smell of Roundup so disgusting. I find it has almost no smell at all, but my nose is not very sensitive for certain smells.

  23. Justin Cuff says:

    In 2011 the product’s manufacturer, Monsanto, agreed with the New York Attorney General’s office to discontinue their use of the terms “biodegradable” and “environmentally friendly” in ads promoting Roundup. Why? Because these terms were false. Roundup is neither biodegradable nor environmentally friendly.

    • Your reference has nothing to do with the point you are trying to make, and ecowatch is not a reliable source of information. WHO has deemed Roundup as a carcinogen – it also considers the alcohol we drink as being carcinogenic.

      It is true that “Monsanto, agreed with the New York Attorney General’s office to discontinue their use of the terms “biodegradable” and “environmentally friendly” in ads promoting Roundup”. However “Monsanto maintains that it did not violate any federal, state or local law and that its claims were “true and not misleading in any way.” The company states that they entered into the agreement for settlement purposes only in order to avoid costly litigation. “as per

      Is Roundup biodegradeable? What does the term mean? It is defined as ‘capable of decaying through the action of living organisms’. In fact glyphosate starts degrading in as little as 30 days in the soil, and this degradation is due to the action of bacteria. Therefore glyphosate is definitely biodegradeable. As pesticides go, it actually degrades faster than most.

      Is it environmentally friendly? This term is much harder to define. It implies a degree of friendliness, and there are no precise measurements for the degree of friendliness. So anyone can say anything is environmentally friendly or not, depending on the criteria they use. I can easily argue that no manufactured product is environmentally friendly – they all use non-renewable resources. However, when you compare the effects on the environment of Roundup compared to older herbicides, it is definitely more environmentally friendly than other options.

  24. rogerbrook says:

    I fully support your comments to the gentleman who is foolish enough to put salt on his soil!
    All the prejudice against glyphosate make me despair.
    I was interested in your comments about the strength of vinegar. I have considered using it against liverwort a primitive weed which my wonderful Roundup does not kill.

    • I also found that Roundup is not very effective on moss, and the hen & chicks plant. Strong vinegar does brown off the green parts, and I suspect liverworts don’t have much of a root system – so it might be effective.

  25. Donna says:

    I read that 20% vinegar injected into the tap root of weeds will kill them. (injected with a syringe)

    • I really do not see this as a viable weed control system – but I would be interested in a reference showing this.

      • CaptainAwesomer says:

        I had the same idea a couple years ago, filled up a giant syringe with vinegar, tried injecting it into weeds (dandelion and thistle). It didn’t work. I got the needle in but couldn’t inject the vinegar, it just doesn’t absorb. It all dripped back out.

        Also tried spraying cleaning vinegar on weeds, it just browned them and stunk for a week.

        My conclusions were: only roundup kills thistle, spraying 2,4-d (or plucking by hand) kills anything leafy, and weed-b-gone is a complete waste of money.

  26. Carrie says:

    I have been using a vinegar/salt/Dawn solution for a 3 years now and it works! I live in the Pacific Northwest. This mixture works best on hot dry days, and when used nothing will grow in the same spot for years. When I first used it on a large weed in my grass, the grass around it also died. And after 3 years, I still have a yellow ring of dead grass where I sprayed.
    In the past, I used to spray Roundup every month to kill the constant weed patches on the edge of my gravel driveway. And the weeds kept coming back! Tired of the toxic chemicals and the expense of Roundup, I searched for an alternative.

    Here’s the recipe:

    1 Gallon white distilled vinegar (I get Four Monks brand from Costco)

    2 cups salt (I use Diamond Crystal Water Softener from Home Depot)

    1/4 cup Dawn Ultra Dishwashing Liquid (Blue)

    You don’t have to use these exact brands (except Dawn Ultra I think), I’m just showing you what I use.
    When I use it on the weeds growing in my gravel driveway, I get no weeds the following spring. I have used this mixture during overcast, cooler days in late summer with poor results so the heat and dry weather is a factor. FYI, this mixture works within minutes.

    Here’s the recipe:

    1 Gallon white distilled vinegar (I get Four Monks brand from Costco)

    2 cups salt (I use Diamond Crystal Water Softener from Home Depot)

    1/4 cup Dawn Ultra Dishwashing Liquid (Blue)

    You don’t have to use these exact brands (except Dawn Ultra), I’m just showing you what I use.

    • So you use this concoction, and nothing grows in that spot for 3 years? Do you think you might have poisoned the soil? The sodium in the salt is highly toxic to plants. You have effectively contaminated your soil to such an extent that nothing grows. That might be Ok on a patio, but salt is very soluble. Each time it rains, some will be washed into your garden contaminating the plants that grow there.

      It does not sound like a good solution to me.

      It is the salt in your mixture that is killing plants, not the vinegar.

      • Tony Ventura says:

        Robert….you sound to me like a shill for Monsanto. If a person has an area that they want to be weed free, like the op mentioned a gravel driveway, I find it highly unlikely, given the mixture that a significant amount of salt is going to leach anywhere. Your position that you are ‘poisoning’ the soil is spot on. This is exactly what one wants to do when preventing weed growth. This is a tremendously superior alternative to poisoning people by using something like Roundup. Naturally though, one could never use this concoction near desirable plants, but this practically goes without saying.

        • Sodium chloride is very soluble. The sodium ion is the issue here. Every time it rains sodium will travel along with water. If the water from the driveway goes into a garden or onto the lawn, the sodium will also travel to these areas – poisoning the soil and making it hard for things to grow. If it runs directly into the street sewers, or it just percolates down, it will eventually pollute our rivers and lakes.

          Since sodium is a stable element it does not degrade – it will be somewhere for ever.

          Roundup on the other hand has a fairly short half life, and quickly degrades. It also sticks to soil and stays put until bacteria degrade it into harmless chemicals. It does not wash away with the rain.

          The toxicity of Roundup is extremely low – vinegar is more toxic. It is not as you say “poisoning people”. Your car exhaust is many times more toxic.

          Why is it that anti-Roundup people think that anyone who uses the product is being paid by Monsanto?? It seems to be one of their few arguments against the product.

          • Michelle says:

            How is vinegar more toxic when it is used in cooking and can be ingested; can you or would you use Round-up for cooking?

          • One way to measure toxicity it to feed varying amounts to animals. The amount that kills 50% of them is called the LD50 (Lethal Dose 50%). for the sake of humans they use rats which are biologically and biochemically quite similar to humans. When they do this with vinegar and glyphosate they find it takes more glyphosate to kill 50% of the rats than for vinegar. Therefore vinegar is more toxic.

            Cooking with Round up has nothing to do with it – why would you use a different chemical for cooking? But when you do use vinegar for cooking or eating, you use very small amounts, and so it is safe to eat. the dose is everything when it comes to toxicity.

          • Ric says:

            Firstly, toxicity rankings and LD50s are all about indicating a substances capability for acute (short-term) poisoning. In contrast, chronic (long-term) poisoning is what carcinogenic substances are all about. The problem with the proliferation of “organic” compounds (as opposed to “inorganic”) produced by the chemical industry is that they are only tested on lab animals for a short period of time, and that chronic affects on humans, other organisms, and/or the environment are largely unknown. The testing on humans begins when they put the product on the market. Then when adverse effects are noticed they get banned- e.g. atrazine, endosulphan, 2,4,5-T etc.

            Now if you have ever experienced spraying Roundup for hours on end you would certainly experience a slightly irritating but very subtle smell that causes a headache. Not good.

            And if you have ever experienced spraying Roundup repeatedly over the same patch of red mountain soil every few weeks in an effort to knockout couch grass, you would also notice that over a short period of time your soil biota declines and that there is a breakdown in soil structure- soil peds are much smaller and the soil compacts despite there being good dead organic matter still in the soil.

            Last point- have you never heard of the Precautionary Principle? Monsanto and their buddies certainly haven’t!

          • I have seen evidence that Roundup has any effect on soil structure – but if you have such published evidence I’d like to review it.

            Roundup has minimal effect on soil biota.

            I think we are past the stage of Precautionary Principle. We have some 30 years of testing that shows the product is safe.

          • Richard says:

            Funny that with all the salt that is used on roads and driveways that they are still allowed to use it. It takes a lot of salt to materially affect the soil to an useable condition

          • Society sets weird priorities. Fewer accidents trumps the environment every time.

            Sodium chloride is also very soluble and leeches quickly into rivers and lakes, cleaning the soil.

      • CaptainAwesomer says:

        So what would you use to kill weeds and poison soil? Is there something that lasts a long time but doesn’t travel far when it rains?

        I have a brick patio in my backyard with grass and weeds growing through. I’ve blasted them out with a pressure washer, killed them with RoundUp, yellowed them with vinegar (they were back to normal two weeks later). But new weeds and grass always show up.

        • Concrete. Any chemical product will either degrade, or wash away. it is part of having a brick patio.

          I have a flagstone pathway, and weeds grow between the stones. I use a string trimmer to cut them down. they grow back, and i cut them again – it is part of gardening.

        • Paul says:

          Try pouring boiling water between the bricks. Not only will it kill the existing weeds, but if you saturate them it will kill the roots and may kill nearby weed seeds.

          • Boiling water has the same problem as vinegar – it only affects the above ground parts. By the time it gets several inches below ground it is no longer boiling. But I am open to seeing proof that this works.

            I am also concerned about carrying boiling water out to the garden.

  27. Sherry Rieder says:

    What kills poison oak?

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